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Old 29th January 2009, 13:33   #1
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E34 / B10 Biturbo: Aerodynamics

Hi fellows!

Does anybody reliably know the drag coefficent and projected frontal area of an E34 B10 biturbo?

Downforce-rates (at certain speed) would be of interest, too.

As far as I know, drag coefficent (Cw) for the BT should be around 0,32 or 0,33. But 1) I am not suren and 2) there where different equippments of the car (1st gen. mirrors, 2nd. gen. mirrors, M-Style-sportmirrors, with/without rear-spoiler).

If somebody knows for E34 M5 (4-door) that might give a closer idea for B10 BT, also.

Why am I asking?

I regularily receive very good German magazine "SportAuto", where they do a "Supertest" with a high-performance car in every issue. At that test they lap the cars on Nürburgring Nordschleife (without GP-track), small circuit of Hockenheim and record all the cars aerodynamics (downforce@200km/h, drag coefficent, projected area).
I realized, that most modern cars have a really lame drag-coefficent again (more than 0,30), as the manufacturers during late 80`s and early 90`s really focussed on decreasing air-drag.
If I recall correctly, the AMG C63 in the latest issue tears big wholes in the air with a value of 0,33!!!

Thanks in advance!!!
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Old 29th January 2009, 15:34   #2
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I've looked through the tests I have and it doesn't seem mentioned anywhere...

PS: Tobias - I sent you a PM a while ago.
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Old 29th January 2009, 17:50   #3
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Hej Kees!

@PM: sorry, no interesst in what you asked, because any serious "potential buyer" could get this information from ALPINA, if that info is from substance for his decision in buying a certain car or not.

@aerodynamics: found at least data for the 1992 E34 M5 3.8, tested by AutoMotor&Sport in their September 1992-issue. It claims a drag coeffient of 0,32, a pojected aera of 2,06m², which gives a total drag of 0,66. That tested car was equipped with 1st-generation mirrors.
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Old 29th January 2009, 19:00   #4
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I realized, that most modern cars have a really lame drag-coefficent again (more than 0,30), as the manufacturers during late 80`s and early 90`s really focussed on decreasing air-drag.
Sounds like a nice search for info .

Drag coefficient is more "well make talk" for manufacturers. It can be very low but its more how big the multiply of the drag coefficient and projected area is. Like you said in your other post.

IIRC the Lamborghini Countach had a dramastic drag coeffiecient, but low projected area...
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Old 29th January 2009, 19:13   #5
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Sorry, as I read my starting post, I realize it could be misunderstood: I do NOT claim all modern cars to have quite bad drag-coefficients in general!!!

To be more precise I should have related my statement to todays top-of-the-line cars, e.g. the AMG`s, M`s, Audi RS`s, Subaru STI WRX abcdefghi`s, Mitsu Evo`s or just any modern car with quite huge openings in the front for air-intake / cooling...
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Hi guys!

Was a bit bored this evening and there - as every evening- was only bullshit on TV...so I build a small table that compares very interesting data from SportAuto-Magazine, e.g. Aerodynamics. ENJOY!!!

Make Modell Year drag-coefficient proj. Area (m²) effective Drag front downforce / lift @200km/h in kg rear dwnfrc/lft weight (kg) hp@rpm Nm@rpm Vmax (km/h) 0-100km/h 0-200km/h Nordschleife SportAuto
ALPINA B10 biturbo (E34) 1989 0,32 2,06 0,659 ? ? 1.800 360@6.000 520@4.000 291 5,2 19,7 ??? not tested
ALPINA B3 Biturbo (LSD) 2008 0,29 2,14 0,621 +12 +13 1.634 360@5.500-6.000 500@3.800-5.000 285 4,9 17,6 8:14 Dez 08
ALPINA B6 S 2008 0,30 2,21 0,663 +18 +6 1.815 530@5.500 725@4.750 318 5,0 13,1 8:10 Mai 08
Aston Martin DBS 2008 0,36 2,11 0,760 +10 +11 1.727 517@6.500 570@5.750 305 5,0 13,8 8:02 Jan 09
Audi R8 (Pirelli Corsa) 2007 0,35 1,99 0,697 +7 -1 1.595 420@7.800 430@4.500-6.000 301 4,7 16,2 8:04 Jul 07
Audi RS4 (Pirelli Corsa / CeramicBrake) 2006 0,31 2,17 0,673 +34 +15 1.728 420@7.800 430@5.500 250 (ltd.) 4,9 16,9 8:09 Jun 06
Audi S5 2008 0,31 2,18 0,676 +52 +34 1.722 354@7.000 440@3.500 250 (ltd.) 5,2 19,1 8:26 Jan 08
Audi TTS 2008 0,32 2,10 0,672 +42 +17 1.438 272@6.000 350@2.500-5.000 250 (ltd.) 5,2 21,9 8:29 Okt 08
BMW M3 V8 (E92) 2008 0,33 2,17 0,716 +10 +23 1.608 420@8.300 400@3.900 280 (ltd.) 4,8 15,7 8:05 Dez 07
Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2008 0,33 2,02 0,667 0 -4 1.402 510@8.500 470@5.250 320 4,5 11,4 7:39 Jul 08
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano (CeramicBrake) 2007 0,33 2,23 0,736 +41 +24 1.748 620@7.600 608@5.600 331 5,1 10,8 7:47 Aug 07
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 2007 0,34 1,95 0,663 +14 +9 1.528 530@8.200 510@4.250 315 5,4 13,6 7:46 Sep 07
Lexus IS F 2008 0,30 2,22 0,666 +31 +7 1.726 423@6.600 505@5.200 270 5,1 16,2 8:18 Sep 08
Mercedes-AMG C 63 Perf. Package 2009 0,32 2,18 0,698 +35 +42 1.761 457@6.800 600@5.000 250 (ltd.) 5,2 14,6 8:13 Feb 09
Mercedes-AMG CLK 63 Black Series 2008 0,38 2,16 0,821 +7 -35 1.745 507@6.800 630@5.250 300 (ltd.) 5,1 14,6 8:05 Mrz 08
Porsche 911 Carrera S (PDK/PCCB/Michelin SportCup) 2008 0,29 2,02 0,586 +24 +14 1.450 385@6.500 420@4.400 300 5,0 14,9 7:50 Aug 08
Porsche 911 GT2 (PCCB) 2008 0,32 2,05 0,656 -9 -29 1.497 530@6.500 680@2.200-4.500 329 4,8 11,5 7:33 Nov 07
Porsche/Ruf RT 12 (997) 2008 0,33 2,04 0,673 +11 -34 1.573 650@7.000 870@3.500-4.000 361 4,8 9,9 7:35 Feb 08
Porsche/TechArt GT Street (997) 2007 0,33 2,05 0,677 +9 -5 1.552 630@6.800 820@3.800-4.500 325 5,0 10,9 7:39 Okt 07
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Wow - excellent work Tobias!

Interesting to see how the BiTurbo compares to more modern sportscars.
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Old 30th January 2009, 13:41   #8
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Thanks Kees for compliments!

Yes, the B10 BT is still "up to date" from aerodynamic point-of-view, though todays top-4-door-cars are mostly better in performing...but BT torque is a friend that is not to underestimate ;-)

Quite interesting, too, is a closer look at aerodynamical balance between front/rear: the B3 BT und the Aston DBS are the cars best in balance (only 1kg diff.) Worst cars are the CLK 63 Black Series (42kg. diff.) and the Ruf RT12 (45kg. diff.)!!!

For all those "dreamcars" and "masterpieces of modern engeneering" you can say, that aerodynamics/drag is quite lame and non of them produces reasonable REAL downforce ("- xx kg").

WANTED - dead or alive- : P R O G R E S S, closer description: is supposed to have hidden in evolution-lines of cars, especially in cars from mid-1980`s to nowadays. Any hinds that lead to capture, will be rewarded with 1.000.000,- CyberCreditz

So go out folks, buy all the new **** - äähm, cars, I mean - and invest your money into search for progress
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